Tuesday, December 24, 2013

#CODED-ish News:: Read Comments By Nigerians on Pastor Kumuyi Statements that "Christmas is Idolatrous"

2:37 PM

The General Overseer of The Deeper Life Bible Church, Pastor W.F Kumuyi warned his church members during their annual National December Convention which held on Saturday Dec 21st, against celebrating Christmas, because according to him it is idolatrous and unscriptural.

Kumuyi said;
“We don’t celebrate Christmas. It actually came from idolatrous background. That is why you don’t hear us sing what they call Christmas carol, Never! We always say it is the December retreat. We are only gathering together because it is the holiday period and love the lord more, and rededicate ourselves more.
“When you find anybody coming in, or any leader, trying to introduce the idolatry of mystery Babylon, that they call Christmas and you want to bring all the Christmas carol saying that is the day that Jesus was born, and you don’t find that in the Acts of the Apostles or in the early church, then you don’t find that in the church either.  If you don’t know that before, now you know.
Well, let's all try to respect other people's beliefs. Meanwhile, other Christian leaders have replied Kumuyi, saying Christmas is not idolatrous but biblical. Continue to read comments...


A Catholic priest, Monsignor Gabriel Osu, said
“I don’t know what he means by saying the practice of celebrating Christmas is wrong. Is he saying that Christ wasn’t born? That he didn’t come to die for us? Does he not celebrate his own birthday? Do Kumuyi’s pastors not celebrate him? It is not everything I react to; some people just seek attention. If Kumuyi is a Christian, then he must believe in Christ.

“The celebration of Christmas didn’t just start today; it is too public an event for anyone to say that they don’t know what it is about. “If Kumuyi is condemning the commercialisation of Christmas, I can understand that. Christ came to redeem us from our lost state; this was actualised through his coming, his birth; that is why we celebrate Christmas. It is the fulfilment of God’s promise.”

ONYX GODWIN said...
of course its nt biblical!!!! its a pagan tradition anyways... Google it if i think am lying !!!
oladele mayowa said...
Errrrmmmm... Dats his opinion tho!
fase oluwafunmilayo said...
The Catholic priest is damn right.... I can't even imagine pastor Kumuyi saying all dos trash It sounds crazy... Well his reason is best known to him apart from is flimsy excuses! As for me oooo christmas will be celebrated till Eternity! Make he go sidon jare!
sarafina said...
I like that part that says 'doesn't he celebrate his birthday? Does his pastors not celebrate him?'
If he says Christ wasn't born on the 25th, I gerrit but a day had to be chosen. #thatsall
Atobatele said...
It's Deeper Life doctrine not to celebrate Xmas and that doesn't translate that it is idolatry.
lyn Whyte said...
As for me and my family/friends,we celebrate Christmas. OYO for deeper life members.
joseph ikye junior said...
hes entitle to his own beleive and opinion..yes! Jesus birth date is not written in the bible..but 25 dec was chosen to celebrate is birthday,cuz his comin gave us all a second chance,if he choose not to celebrate it,he shouldnt celebrat his own birthday n his pastors shudnt too... He was against many things..like watch Tv n so on..now na even big screen dem dey use 4 inside church,watchin Tv doesnt make one bad,u choose wat u wanna watch,so is an individual choice
makasteve said...
Now I see y he cages his members every Christmas with retreat chai #catholicforever
Anonymous said...
To be fair there is nowhere in the bible where it says Jesus was born on Christmas and we should celebrate Christmas . If what he means about Christmas being idolatrous is that we forget about the main reason why Christmas exist which is to celebrate the birth of our lord Jesus Christ and we just focus on partying , getting drunk , fornicating and so on then I understand . But also at Christmas time a lot if charity works also happens but to be fair apparently Christmas was actually created by pagans originally so I guess there is truth to what he is saying .
Anonymous said...
he definitely respects christs dat wz y he said a christian shuldnt only remember christ birth during xmas only but everyday of ones life bearing in mind dat he's d reason y ure saved.......to d catholic priest if u knw d bible well u shuld knw dat it neva give any date as d date of christ birth dat 25 of dec is a guessed work nd if u doubt d idolatorous nature of xmas u can browse on d origin of christmas
Ann Marie said...
I think we should all learn to respect each other's religion, nobody has criticized the deeper life people for not watching t.v. salvation is personal
Jenyking Ekemezie said...
hmm for him develish mind nah!
israel oni said...
Hmmm.. Let's hear from other people..
Anonymous said...
You should get your fact before jumping into conclusion... This is a big Lie
Chinasa said...
Well I thank God you don't have a seat on the senate!!!
Anonymous said...
This pastors sha...I'm tired
Chinasa said...
Well I thank God you don't have a seat on the senate!!!
Apple said...
I beg Nigerian Pastors make una go sit down some where !!!! Bloody hypocrites!!! Mtcheew.
Slimy said...
Hmmmm,, pls Pastor kumuyi do not tag d remembrance of d birth of CHRIST idolatory cos even wen HE was born, HE was celebrated.
tsola said...
Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

C. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]

D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.” Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.

G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”
veralu said...
Na wa o, 4 dis so called man of God
tsola said...
The Origin of Christmas Tree
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees”.[7] Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.

B. The Origin of Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna. Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim. The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.

C. The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace. The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas.

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